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AT A GLANCE: Evolving faith, Sacred curiosity, Reimagining belief

What Comes After Certainty? A Conversation on Evolving Faith, Wholeness, and Being Spiritually Unruly

If you’ve ever found yourself quietly questioning the faith you inherited, feeling out of place in the spaces that once felt like home, or wondering what it means to still love God when you no longer fit the mold – this episode is for you.

In this deeply personal conversation on You Don’t Know, Linds sits down with Angela, a close friend and longtime mentor. This episode is part of a shift for our podcast – leaning into unscripted, honest storytelling from people in process. And Angela is a perfect guide for this kind of space. With a deep spiritual core, a history that spans continents and traditions, and the kind of wisdom that feels both grounded and expansive, she shares what it looks like to reimagine faith without burning it all down.

We talk through what it means to hold sacred things with open hands, how to explore ideas that once felt off-limits, what it looks like to untangle God from systems that often do more harm than good, and how to explore the beauty – and the bravery – of embracing a faith that evolves alongside you.

Angela doesn’t offer a three-step formula or a new dogma to replace the old. Instead, she invites us to consider how we might live more connected lives – lives rooted in love, inclusion, wholeness, and radical honesty. This isn’t about abandoning faith, but about reclaiming it on your own terms, in your own voice, with your whole self.

Whether you’re navigating your own process of deconstruction, rebuilding from spiritual wounds, or just starting to wonder if there’s room for questions in your spiritual life, this episode offers comfort, challenge, and community. It’s a reminder that you’re not alone. That curiosity is sacred. And that maybe, just maybe, faith was always supposed to be a little wild.

You don’t need to be certain to listen. In fact, it’s probably better if you’re not.

Mentioned Resources:
Her Rites by Christy Bauman
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Everywhere You Look by Tim Soerens
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takeaways

timestamps

I. Intro (00:00-3:28)
II. Meet Ang (3:29-9:45)
III. Groundings (9:46-1:00:55)
12:20 To what End
13:24 Cosmic & Common Wholeness (Grounding 1)
27:19 Connection Over Division (Grounding 2)
37:31 To Be Known By Love (Grounding 3)
44:50 Jesus’ Standards -or- The Church’s Standards (Grounding 4)
53:25 Faith In Many Ways (Grounding 5)
IV. What About Those Struggling? (1:00:56-1:08:52)
V. Outro (1:08:53-1:09:39)

Show Produced + Edited + Narrated by Deanna West and Lindsey Migliori
Graphics by Rebekah Williamson
Website Design & Maintenance by Heidi Zimmerman & Rebekah Williamson with Bliss & Tell Creative

Oh hey, Angela

Angela is a longtime mentor and friend of Linds, with a story that spans continents and spiritual traditions. She carries a deep spiritual core and a grounded wisdom that feels expansive and inclusive. Rather than offering formulas or quick fixes, Angela embodies curiosity, honesty, and wholeness, inviting others to reimagine faith without burning it down. Her presence offers a vision of connection and belonging that makes space for questions, complexity, and growth.

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